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SPACE Digest                                     Volume 13 : Issue 692

Today's Topics:
         Re: INFO: Clandestine Mars Observer Launch??
      Re: INFO: Lunar Transient Phenomena - Paranet File
              Please use Email sometimes
              Re: Microgravity?
             Toward 2001 - 03 Jun
                Microgravity?
           Re: ASRM (Was: Re: More on Freedom Vote)
               Re: More on Freedom Vote
              Re: Microgravity?
       L-5 Society is now National Space Society (NSS)

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Date: 4 Jun 91 11:52:52 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!ptimtc!nntp-server.caltech.edu!iago.caltech.edu![e-mail]  (Lydick, Carl)
Subject: Re: INFO: Clandestine Mars Observer Launch??

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Gene Gross) writes...
>>Hoagland is noted mainly for being a zealot who's rediscovered the fact that if
>>you take enough random data, you'll be able to find a correlation with
>>something in it.  I've been able to spot SEVERAL humanoid faces in the
>>acoustical tile on my ceiling.

>Actually, Hoagland didn't rediscover anything.  The first viewing of
>the "Face" was while the assembled "horde" waited for the photos to
>come back from Mars to JPL.  When the shot with the "Face" was put on
>screen, the assembled scientists and journalists were a bit stunned.
>You could have heard a pin drop during the few seconds that it took
>for some bright scientist at JPL to quip "amazing what light and
>shadows will do."

I was being somewhat facetious (no pun intended) in my original post.  I didn't
mean that Hoagland had actually discovered anything;  merely that he has
decided to attach overwhelming significance to something that could easily have
been produced by natural processes.

>BTW, I have a copy of the original NASA photo showing the "Face."  It
>is rather grainy, but I simply don't see how you can miss the "Face."
>It is nothing like the Kermit face that someone said they saw on Mars,
>nor is it anything like the face in the moon.  This thing is so
>distinct that it will capture your attention immediately.

I didn't say that it didn't look like a face.  I've seen the photo myself, many
times, with and without various image enhancements.  It looks like a face.  It
doesn't especially look like an artifact.  The fact that, after deciding that
it WAS an artifact, Hoagland was able to find "distinctive" features in the
area surrounding it, is not, in my opinion, a very strong argument for it being
an artifact.
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Carl J Lydick    HEPnet/NSI: SOL1::CARL    Internet: [e-mail]

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Date: 4 Jun 91 18:46:57 GMT
From: convex![e-mail]  (Richard A. Schumacher)
Subject: Re: INFO: Lunar Transient Phenomena - Paranet File

In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Don Allen) writes:

>NOTE: This article re-printed without the express written consent
>or permission of Paranet.
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>----Begin Included Text------------------------------------------
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>(C) 1991 ParaNet(sm) Information Service.  All Rights Reserved.
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>Reprinted from Sky & Telescope Magazine, March, 1991.
>...

This is great. A copyrighted article, reproduced without permission,
which itself contains a copyrighted article reproduced without
permission!

Who's attorneys will jump on this faster, I wonder? Hey, I know:
I'll mail a copy of the whole mess to both and see what they think
of it. Any bets?

Stay tuned, intelluctual property fans.

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Date: 4 Jun 91 20:29:03 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!unixhub!slacvm![e-mail]  (Jon J Thaler)
Subject: Please use Email sometimes

In the last day there were two posts (one on the VP breaking ties in the
House and one asking about microgravity) that each generated numerous
followups, all saying the same thing.

I believe that it is accepted net ettiquette not to post, but to use Email,
when you have reason to believe that multiple identical posts are likely.

It would make life much simpler for the rest of us, and save bandwidth besides.

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Date: 4 Jun 91 22:23:18 GMT
From: agate!spool.mu.edu!caen!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!acm.rpi.edu![e-mail]  (Greg Moore)
Subject: Re: Microgravity?

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Herman Rubin) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Bob Pendleton) writes:
>> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Herman Rubin) writes:
>> > In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Bev Freed) writes:
>
>              .....................
>
>> > > A 710-meter shaft set deep into the Earth forms the centerpiece of a
>> > > new microgravity experimentation facility which will open in July.
>> > > The center is expected to make a significant contribution to
>> > > biotechnology, metallurgy, ceramics, and other space related
>> > > research.
>
>              ..................
>
>> > I must be missing something.  How do we get microgravity at this depth?
>> > The formula I recall would have the gravitational force there approximately
>> > .9999 g.
>
>> Not a problem. You put the experiment in a high density streamlined
>> container and you DROP it 710 meters. During the fall you get
>> microgravity. At the end you get macrogravity. :-)
>
>N people also sent me this by email.  However, is this better than taking to
>a substantial height (we do have ways to get drops of well over 7000 meters)
>and it is not necessary to get quite as much macrogravity at the end?  Also,
>one could even have good observing methods along the way instead of merely
>removing the product from a canister.  How long a really low-gravity fall
>would we get from the height at which the SR-71 could be flown?
>
>--
>Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
>Phone: [phone]
>[e-mail] (Internet, bitnet)   {purdue,pur-ee}!l.cc!hrubin(UUCP)

  Ah, but you only have to dig the shaft once.  It's a one time cost.  I'm
sure that flying a SR-71 (and btw, why does everyone always see the SR-71
as the solution, sure, it's a great plane, for SOME things... high G
manevours is not one of them!  A C-130 would work much better for this.) has
a very high per hour cost.  Also, it puts wear and tear on the airframe,
increasing maintainance costs.
  As for crashing at the bottom, the designs I've seen have some sort of water
break at the bottom.  A bigger problem in very deep shafts (I haven't
done the math) might be Corilous effects, but then you just need to make
the shaft wide enough so nothing hits the sides.


Carpe Diem                             [e-mail]
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Date: 3 Jun 91 20:56:53 GMT
From: mintaka!think.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!pitt!nss![e-mail]  (Bev Freed)
Subject: Toward 2001 - 03 Jun


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                            TOWARD 2001
                            ***********
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+ Astro Payload
Washington DC

NASA will fly the beleagred astrophysics facility at least one more
time. The Astro payload, including the Hopkins UV Telescope, the UV
Imaging Telescope, and the Wisconsin UV Photopolarimieter
Experiment, will be launched again at an unspecified time.
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o Japan Microgravity Center
Hokkaido

A 710-meter shaft set deep into the Earth forms the centerpiece of a
new microgravity experimentation facility which will open in July.
The center is expected to make a significant contribution to
biotechnology, metallurgy, ceramics, and other space related
research.
                           * * * * * * *
# Soviet Mir 1 Plans
Low Earth Orbit

During their 6 month mission, cosmonauts Anatoly Artsebarski and
Sergei Krikalyev will install a new solar panel, which will be
delivered via space shuttle Buran, Radio Moscow said.
                           * * * * * * *
* Aurora-2
GeoTransfer Orbit

The 2,964 lb (1,374 kg) satellite, constructed by GE Astro Space,
will provide 24 channels of voice and data service to the state of
Alaska during its expected 12 year lifetime. It will be operated by
GE American Communications Inc and Alascom.
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o Spar Aerospace Ltd
Mississauga, Canada

Company officials attribute first quarter 1991 profits of C$1.992
million on revenues of C$106.147 million to "high levels of activity
on International Space Station Freedom and Radarsat programs, as
well as the start of the MSAT mobile communications satellite
project."
                           * * * * * * *
* Crowding in GEO
GeoStationary Orbit

Hughes Communications will move its Galaxy 1 satellite from 134 W to
133 degrees W in order to accommodate the future placement of GE's
Satcom C-4 at 135 degrees W. During the week of 21-28 June, 10,000
cable operators and 3 million dish owners will have to repoint their
antennas several times.
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o European Broadcasting Union
Strasbourg, France

The success of CNN is stimulating similar ventures in Europe. Space
Calendar contributor Theo Pirard reports the 32 members of the EBU
are ready to use Eutelsat 2 to begin 9-hour service in early 1992,
24 hour service by 1993.
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+ Ames Scientist Awarded
Mountain View CA

Dr Christopher P McKay is one of five government scientists who will
be awarded the Arthur S Flemming Award for 1991. McKay, 36, was
cited for extraordinary scientific creativity in planetary science,
including research into the atmosphere of Titan.
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Date: 4 Jun 91 13:33:59 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!spool.mu.edu!news.nd.edu!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!pop.stat.purdue.edu![e-mail]  (Herman Rubin)
Subject: Microgravity?

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Bev Freed) writes:

            .....................

> A 710-meter shaft set deep into the Earth forms the centerpiece of a
> new microgravity experimentation facility which will open in July.
> The center is expected to make a significant contribution to
> biotechnology, metallurgy, ceramics, and other space related
> research.

            ..................

I must be missing something.  How do we get microgravity at this depth?
The formula I recall would have the gravitational force there approximately
.9999 g.
--
Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
Phone: [phone]
[e-mail] (Internet, bitnet)   {purdue,pur-ee}!l.cc!hrubin(UUCP)

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Date: 4 Jun 91 21:05:41 GMT
From: news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utzoo![e-mail]  (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: ASRM (Was: Re: More on Freedom Vote)

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (George William Herbert) writes:
>    A. Thiokol could have bid on the ASRM; they had a design, and it was
>technically OK from what I saw, but they wanted out of the business.

Rumor hath it that they wanted out partly because there were quietly told
that they'd be wasting their money bidding on it, i.e. that their design
would not win even if it was coated with antigravity paint.
--
"We're thinking about upgrading from    | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
SunOS 4.1.1 to SunOS 3.5."              |  [e-mail]  utzoo!henry

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Date: 4 Jun 91 21:21:22 GMT
From: agate!spool.mu.edu!sdd.hp.com!mips!bridge2!molehill.ESD.3Com.COM![e-mail]  (Michael McNeil)
Subject: Re: More on Freedom Vote

[e-mail] (Bob Pendleton) writes:

>Personally, I hope they bury Fred so deep it never gets out. Talk
>about a gold plated over rated waste of money. If I've every seen a
>solution looking for a problem Fred is it. The second worse example
>would be the shuttle.

Remember when the *laser* was called a solution looking for a problem?
Ah, nostalgia....

>Bob Pendleton, speaking only for myself.

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        And with an awful, dreadful list
        Towards other galaxies unknown
        Ponderously turns the Milky Way ...
            Boris Pasternak

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Date: 4 Jun 91 22:22:05 GMT
From: [e-mail]  (Byron Han)
Subject: Re: Microgravity?

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Steve Savitzky) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Herman Rubin) writes:
>
>  In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Bev Freed) writes:
>
>  > A 710-meter shaft set deep into the Earth forms the centerpiece of a
>  > new microgravity experimentation facility which will open in July.

>  I must be missing something.  How do we get microgravity at this depth?

Probably the same way collecting rocks in Antarctica is a manned asteroid sample
return mission... :-)

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Date: 5 Jun 91 00:32:20 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!ucselx!petunia!zeus![e-mail]  (James T. Green)
Subject: L-5 Society is now National Space Society (NSS)

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (W.A.Simon) writes:
>    does anyone know what has the L5 Society become?  I have
>    not hear of/from/about them in years.
>
The L-5 Society merged with the National Space Institute
several years ago.  The new organization is called
the National Space Society and is headquartered in
Washington DC, with about 100 chapters last time I
checked.

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